These notes were taken by an Oklahoma reporter who is close to the Briggs. These
are not the actual court transcripts and are not accurate notes, but they’re the
only notes from the trial that are public.
Dr. Kelli Koon Testimony Patty High
High: When was
the first time you was Kelsey ?
Koons: March 31st, 2005
High: How did
Kelsey become your patient?
Koons: I received a phone
call, Mom was concerned of her hair thinning.
High: What
did you see on Kelsey?
Koons: There was a large amount of hair loss.
High: What did you diagnose?
Koons: Alopecia
NOTE: Alopecia is where your hair can fall out in dime size spots,
then those spots grow it is mainly described as a stress disorder. There
is Alopecia, and alopecia universalities (it effects all of the hair
on the body including eyelashes, brows, arms, legs etc..) Even in with today's
technology experts aren't exactly sure of what the actual physical causes of
alopecia are. The disorder has only been ASSOCIATED with stress.
High: What do think of a child with hair loss?
Koons: Nutritional deficiency.
NOTE: One does not need to be nutritional deficient to suffer from
Alopecia. Many perfectly healthy people suffer from Alopecia. To diagnose
Alopecia and nutritional deficiency there HAD to be more than JUST the hair
loss.
High: Do
you talk with the Mom about
nutrition?
Koons: Yes
High: What
did she say?
Koons: Said Kelsey
was a picky eater but nothing in particular.
High: Mom didnt have nutritional concerns
right?
Koons: Correct
High: Did Raye Dawn explain Kelseys history?
Koons: She told me she would have
Kelsey for the next 24 hours but Kelsey was in a DHS custody battle.
High: What do you think when you heard DHS was
involved in a kids life?
Koons: There is a concern for child abuse.
High: Can
hair loss be child
abuse?
Koons: Yes
High: Alopecia,
can it be related to stress?
Koons: Yes
High: What
do you know of Kelseys medical
history?
Koons: I had notes from Dr. Ketcher and Dr.
Obri.
High: Did
you have notes from January 21st?
Koons: Yes it indicated a well being
check up and bruises. The mother reported Kelsey bruises easy.
High: What
did Dr. Ketcher do?
Koons: Decided no alarming
bruises but ordered blood tests.
NOTE: This was immediately after the bruising in January and the
report said NO ALARMING BRUISES??
High: What
were the results?
Koons:
Normal
High: And
notes for January
25th?
Koons: Kathie Briggs brought Kelsey in for a
check-up. She is now in her custody. The doctor says no
bruises noted on that doctor visit.
NOTE: Again NO bruises noted.
High: The
next visit, February 10th, what did you see this
day?
Koons: She was having a recheck of
her clavicle fracture.
High: Anything
unusual about Kelsey?
Koons: No
High: On
March 22nd?
Koons: She was brought in by her Grandma. Nothing new on
bruises.
High: The next time you see Kelsey, March 31st.
What did you do to find out about the hair loss?
Koons: Ordered tests to
check for nutrition. Raye Dawn says she is still concerned that Kelsey bruises
easy.
High: Did
she tell you about bruising from January to
March?
Koons: We did not timeline bruising. She
just said she was concerned.
High: And
what did the tests
say?
Koons:All tests came back normal.
High: The
next time you see her is April 25th. What was the reason?
Koons: Not walking and painful legs.
High: Who
was
there?
Koons: Mom and not sure about the maternal
grandmother. I ordered x-rays from the knees down.
High: What did it find?
Koons: 2 tibia
fractures.
High: Concerning?
Koons: Any fracture on a child this age is a concern for child
abuse. We x-rayed her entire body.
High: What did you do with your
concerns?
Koons: I took the films to Dr. Barrett, a bone
specialist in my office. I talked to both Raye Dawn and Kathie.
High: Start with what Raye Dawn told
you.
Koons: Mom says a week and a half ago and the child went
to the zoo. She fell wearing flip flops. They took her to the ER and found a
sprained ankle.
NOTE: Miste Smith said she fell on a CURB, with the flip-flops on.
That part is often left out, making the fall seem improbable. However when you
add the fall from the curb along with the unsteady height of the flip flop it is
VERY PROBABLE.
High: And
what did the paternal grandmother say?
Koons: Kathie says Kelsey would only take 4
steps and say hurt and then she has been crawling since then.
High: Did
you inform Dr. Barrett of your
suspicions?
Koons: Yes
High: You
mean a victim of abuse?
Koons: Yes
High: What did Dr. Barrett
say?
Koons:
Dr. Barrett told me the stories were consistent with what I was being told.
High: If you thought Raye Dawn was the perpetrator
would you look at the history she
provideddifferently?
Koons: No, I was suspicious of everyone.
High: On
April 26th, what happened?
Koons: Kelsey went to visit Dr. Barrett.
High: When was the next time you see Kelsey?
Koons: August 16th, when we sent her for
additional studies.
High: What ones?
Koons: The genetics, a bone disorder, a thinning of the bones.
(Osteogenesis Imperfecta)
High: And
what happened with this?
Koons: Ruled out.
Note:
The tests DID NOT RULE OUT OI -they were INCONCLUSIVE, per Dr. Koons's testimony
further along in the trial.
High: Did
you rule out child abuse?
Koons: No
High: What
made anyone look at Kelsey for OI?
Koons: Pale skin and multiple fractures.
High: You
saw her on August 16th, anything
unusual?
Koons: A knot on the back of her
head.
NOTE: This could have been an injury, however it also could have
been an alopecia episode. Often alopecia is preceded by large knot like
bumps, about the size of the hair loss circle.
High: Did
Raye express concerns?
Koons: Says Kelsey is biting herself and
picking at herself. I suggested an evaluation at a child study center for any
underlying emotional issues.
Note: Raye went through DHS in order to make this happen.
High: Who
did you talk with more often?
Koons: The Smith family
because they brought her in more.
High: Anything
unusual?
Koons: Raye Dawn made comments saying
Kelseys behavior is getting worse, going back and forth between the families.
High: Is
this stress normal in an ugly divorce?
Koons: This one had more anger.
NOTE: This shows that Dr. Koons was aware of the volatile situation,
and she suspected everyone. The other experts were
always led to only suspect the mother
High: Now
that Kelseys gone do you look at things
differently?
Koons: I think it is always
easier to look back.
Cross Exam - Huddleston
Huddleston: Are you saying your diagnosis is
wrong?
Koons:
No
Huddleston: Is
it true I was not allowed to talk to
you?
Koons:
Correct
Huddleston: Are
you being sued by the Briggs family?
Koons:
Correct
NOTE: The Case
against Dr. Koons was dropped in October of 2007, with no foundation for a civil
recovery.
Huddleston: Is
it true attorneys refer clients to doctors all the
time?
Koons:
Correct
Huddleston: Its
hard to become a doctor isnt it?
Koons:
Correct
Huddleston: Do
you have clients and patients?
Koons:
Correct
Huddleston: A
lot of people depend on you dont they doctor?
Koons:
Correct
Huddleston: Would
you ever jeopardize your practicing license by giving treatment or
statements that are not true?
Koons:
No I would not.
Huddleston: How
do you feel that they brought a previous witness in to detest your credibility?
Koons:
I think anyone would feel poorly if their character was in question.
Huddleston: On
January 25th what happened?
Koons:
The Briggs family took Kelsey to Dr. Obri.
NOTE:
In which he noted NO BRUISING -
Huddleston: When
you got in this case, you said you noticed things going on between families?
Koons:
Correct
Huddleston: This
calendar shows guardianship was filed on January 24th. Then the next day
Kathie takes Kelsey to Dr. Obri. Then Raye Dawn gets her back and takes her to
Dr. Ketcher. Do you find that
unusual?
Koons:
No
Huddleston: Have
you ever had a patient where they are feuding over a child so each side takes
the child to a different doctor?
Koons:
This would be my first case.
Huddleston: So
Raye Dawn brought Kelsey to you on March
31st?
Koons:
Correct
Huddleston: Do you know Dr. Obri?
Koons: Yes
Huddleston: Is Dr. Obri being sued in this case?
Koons: No she is not.
Huddleston: What do you show for March 21st? Koons: I have Briggs took Kelsey
to the ER.
Huddleston: On March 31st do you think the loss of hair could have been from
stress?
Koons: It could be.
Note: If the Briggs had Kelsey from January 24 this visit, isn't that enough
time for nutritional concerns to emerge? When there were NEVER nutritional
concerns BEFORE Kelsey was in Kathie's care?
Huddleston: Can going back and forth between families be a sign of stress?
Koons: Yes
Huddleston: You didnt see any sign of hair being yanked out?
Koons: No I did not.
Huddleston: Did you know about her ER visit on the 14th?
Koons: By history, yes.
Huddleston: When did you know about the ER visit?
Koons: April 25th
Huddleston: Did you get the records?
Koons: No
Huddleston: Have you looked at them since?
Koons: No
Huddleston: Why did you send Kelsey to Dr. Barrett?
Koons: She is board certified.
Huddleston: So you think she is a good doctor?
Koons: Yes and she could get the child in quickly.
Huddleston: What did Dr. Barrett say?
Koons: Dr. Barrett felt the story could be consistent with Raye Dawns story.
Huddleston: Explain.
Koons: Dr. Barrett thought this was from falling on a flip flop but they could
have been in a different time frame.
Huddleston: How did you take that?
Koons: She is a medical expert. I have no reason to disagree.
Huddleston: Do you doctor have an ethical duty to notify about child abuse?
Koons: Yes
Huddleston: Did you contact police?
Koons: I did contact them on March 21st about our findings that day.
NOTE: Why wasn't a police report ever obtained? What was the nature of this
report?
Huddleston: You wanted the OI test done? Koons: Correct
Huddleston: Was it ever ruled out?
Koons: No
NOTE: Earlier in testimony with Pattie High, Dr. Koons said that it was
ruled out however here she clearly says that it was NOT ruled out. Additionally,
notes from the 2nd autopsy say that it was NOT ruled out.
Huddleston: These fractures, did you look at the x-rays?
Koons: Yes
Huddleston: Did you know if Dr. Barrett contacted police?
Koons: Not to my knowledge.
Huddleston: On May 2nd, Dr. Sullivan saw Kelsey?
Koons: Not to my knowledge.
Huddleston: Has Dr. Barrett ever changed her opinion as to the diagnosis?
Koons: Not to my knowledge.
Huddleston: When Kelsey was taken to Dr. Barrett, the casts were taken off?
Koons: I do know that.
Huddleston: When Kelsey goes back to Dr. Barrett on the 6th, the casts were put
back on?
Koons: Correct
Huddleston: On August 16th, did you know DHS and CHBS were meeting all the
time?
Koons: No I did not.
Huddleston: But CHBS came to all the visits?
Koons: Yes I documented that.
Huddleston: So this child had been through a lot?
Koons: Yes she had.
Huddleston: And this is just 60 days from the time she was returned to mom?
Koons: According to your timeline.
Huddleston: And Jean Bonner recommended child study?
Koons: No I recommended that. Play therapy allows psychologist help the child
work through issues.
Huddleston: Did you see any abuse on August 16th doctor?
Koons: No I did not.
NOTE: This is just 3 days before the automobile accident on August 19th and
there was NO abuse.
Huddleston: Did you write you think Kelsey bruises easier?
Koons: I do stand by the fact that Kelsey bruises easier than kids her age. I
established a doctors appointment at Childrens Hospital with the hematologist.
Huddleston: Doctor, the bottom line, you saw Kelsey on numerous occasions?
Koons: Correct
Huddleston: But never went to court for abuse?
Koons: Correct
Huddleston: You never went to CASA?
Koons: Correct
Huddleston: And Raye Dawn did everything she could for the welfare of Kelsey?
Koons: Correct
Re-direct Patti High
High: You say Raye Dawn did everything for the welfare of Kelsey, why?
Koons: She brought her to all the appointments and acted appropriately in my
office.
High: From January 24th to March 11th, she only had supervised visits with
Kelsey. Are you aware there were no injuries during that time?
Koons: No I wasnt
NOTE: There were INJURIES such as a scratch from a cat, a bite form a dog, a
bite mark on Kelsey these were NOT reported to DHS.
High: Were you aware injuries began when they went into unsupervised visits?
Koons: No I was not.
NOTE: There were NUMEROUS injuries that were recorded during the SUPERVISED
VISITATIONS with both Kathie Briggs and Raye Dawn all injuries, just as the ones
described here were bumps or bruises form falling, cuts on the finger and a
whole host of small NORMAL TODDLER injuries all occurring while under the
watchful eye of DHS! (See the Visitation Logs)
High: Were you ever told about a bruise on her nose?
Koons: No
NOTE: Wasn't the March 21st incident a bruise on her nose??? Didn't they say
the first time Koons "saw" Kelsey was March 31st?
High: A bruise on her thigh?
Koons: No
High: A bruised rib cage?
Koons: No I was not told
High: So you were not given information?
Koons: It would have been nice to know.
High: Are you told about any injuries in July?
Koons: No, only the ones in my office.
High: Did anyone tell you about the shampoo injury?
Koons: No
NOTE: It is important to note that this was such a SMALL injury, that the
CHBS worker only reported it in her documentation; she never filed anything on
it because it was a USUAL CHILDHOOD INJURY, hardly notable in a history for a
doctor. Same goes for the other bruises mentioned in this questioning. These
should NOT have been allowed to present an abuse case.
High: The other list of injuries? Koons: No
NOTE: What list? How can the jury be sure of exactly what list of injuries
the prosecution is referring to? How is this witness certain? The witness should
have asked for clarification, high just named all of the injuries. What list?
High: So is it safe to say your opinion may be based on opinions without all
the information?
Koons: My opinion is only based on information I could obtain in my office.
High: Would you believe Dr. Sullivan might be right now?
Koons: It is of high suspicion.
High: Did you ever tell Kathie Briggs that your uncle was representing Raye Dawn
Porter?
Koons: No
High: Dont you think she would want to know before she gave you information?
Koons: Its possible.
NOTE: What information could Kathie give to a physician that would hinder
anything in a DHS case? Unless she had something to hide.
Kathie Briggs Testimony
Kathie Briggs: Raye Dawn and Lance were not married when
Kelsey was born. They divorced in July of 2002. I found out Raye Dawn was
pregnant after the divorce and was told it was not his, so we were not expecting
a grandchild. Then I heard rumors it could be.
Smothermon: When Kelsey was born, did you get to be the
grandmother?
Kathie Briggs: No. We did a paternity test immediately.
Kelsey was three months old when we found out she was ours. When Kelsey was two
months old, Raye Dawn called and wanted tointroduce us to her. She brought her
over to the house. I saw her again when she brought Kelsey in to get her
pictures taken at Sears, where I was the manager. Once the paternity test
confirmed Lance was the father, he was allowed to see her for 4 hours every
other Saturday for three months and we all shared that 4 hours. We asked
for more time, but Raye Dawn did not allow it.
Smothermon: How
did you feel about Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: I adored Raye Dawn. Ive known her since
she was a little girl, I was her pom coach; I did her hair. I loved Raye Dawn
like she was a member of our family. Our relationship changed when Lance went to
Iraq in August of 2004 and I wanted to continue seeing Kelsey but I wanted it in
writing and she did not want to do that. So I hired an attorney to get it in
court. The judge granted me visitation in my sons absence.
NOTE:
Kathie Briggs was NEVER Rayes pom coach. Their relationship changed long
before Lance left for Iraq. Their relationship changed when Lance
started beating on Raye-Dawn and the Briggs constantly talked Raye-Dawn out of
pursuing the Protective Orders.
Smothermon: And
so you took care of Kelsey quite often up until this point?
NOTE:
Kathie JUST testified that they ONLY had Kelsey for 4 hours every other Sunday.
That is 8 hours a month. That does in NO WAY constitute as often.
Kathie Briggs: Yes, I kept her a lot until she wanted it
in writing and then something changed and Raye Dawn told me she did not want to
drop Kelsey off and pick her up at our homes, she wanted to do it at the
convenience store.
NOTE: This was the Rainbow the same store that Eugene Snyder
allegedly witnessed Raye Dawn throw Kelsey over the seat in the RED CAR.
The car that was sold, 5 months before the time of year Eugene says he saw this.
See the notes from his testimony.
Smothermon: And
how did that go?
Kathie Briggs: Fine, except one time she walked up and
set Kelsey on the sidewalk and walked away.
Smothermon: Okay
in January, lets talk about the broken collarbone?
Kathie Briggs: The weekend before I was supposed to have
Kelsey but Raye Dawn never showed up. I called her relatives and the next
weekend she did. On January 14th, Raye Dawn told me she fell out of the bed and
broke her collarbone.
NOTE: This doesnt gel if it was the weekend before the 14th that
would have been January 7th (both Fridays) but the ER Dr. Testified
that Kelsey was brought in on the 10th for the collarbone (and other
than the forehead-there were NO OTHER INJURIES). Why would Raye skip a
visit, in which Kelsey was perfectly fine, and trade it for a week when she was
injured?
Smothermon: Did you see any bruises?
Kathie Briggs: It was dark and Raye Dawn just told me
she had a brace on. I got Kelsey home and noticed bruises on her face. Lance was
home on leave and we were having a birthday party so she stayed at our house for
about 2 hours until 7:45pm.
Smothermon: Did
you change Kelseys diaper during that time?
Kathie Briggs: No, I was taking care of the birthday
party so no one changed her.
NOTE:
Yet Ashley claimed during her testimony that she was with Kelsey every single
minute. Could she not change her diaper because she didnt have custody?
That was her reason for not taking her to the ER when she wouldnt walk!
Smothermon: Did
you notice anything different?
Kathie Briggs: We were concerned her demeanor had
changed. Lance called Raye Dawn and asked why they were not notified about the
collarbone. Raye Dawn did not think it was a big deal, so she didnt call us.
NOTE:
At that time, neither did the Emergency Room Staff.
Smothermon: Once
Lance and Ashley left, then what happened?
Kathie Briggs: Ashley called crying saying she had
bruises on her back.
Smothermon: So
where was Raye Dawn living at the time?
Kathie Briggs: Meeker.
Smothermon: Why
did Lance and Ashley take her to the Shawnee hospital?
Kathie Briggs: Thats where they lived.
Smothermon: Why
did you go to the ER?
Kathie Briggs: I wanted to see what it was.
Smothermon: What
did you think?
Kathie Briggs: I was extremely concerned and shocked. I
couldnt believe what kind of instrument could have been used to cause those
marks.
Smothermon: Did
you tell police any name to look at in their investigation?
Kathie Briggs: One police officer came out and I told
them Raye Dawns name, just because shes the mother.
Smothermon: What
did Officer Matt Byers tell you?
Kathie Briggs: He asked if I was prepared to raise a
grandchild and I told them I never intended to but would if I had to.
Smothermon: Did
you call DHS?
Kathie Briggs: No, Carl Leabo, the chief of police in
Meeker told us he called.
NOTE:
According to Matt Byers testimony, Carl Leabo was not involved in this case
until Matt inquired regarding the investigation, the next day and then he was
only a consultant in the case, he took NO ACTION. This is FALSE or
MISLEADING TESTIMONY. Carl Leabo testified that he never made such a statement
to Kathie or anyone.
Smothermon: You did not want to give Kelsey back to Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: No, but I did not have a court order, so
I had to.
NOTE:
Kathie kept Kelsey as long as she could. Until Raye-Dawn went to the
police and had them escort her to pick Kelsey up. This is FALSE or
MISLEADING TESTIMONY.
Kathie Briggs: On January 24, 2005 we showed Judge Key
the pictures of the bruises and got an emergency guardianship. I immediately
went to pick Kelsey up from the daycare Raye Dawn had her at.
Smothermon: And
how did that go?
Kathie Briggs: The daycare provider started yelling at
me, asking why I was taking Kelsey.
Smothermon: Did you yell back?
Kathie Briggs: It was heated, but I would not consider
it yelling.
NOTE:
Like she would not consider the ANIMOSITY between their families: ANIMOSITY?
Julie (the daycareworker) testified during the June hearing that Kathie grabbed
Kelsey from her arms, it was so traumatic that Julie was fearful of the effect
on the surrounding children, and gave Kelsey to Kathie.
Smothermon: Did
you allow Raye Dawn to see Kelsey at any time during the next two weeks?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, she called and wanted to see her, so
I called my lawyer and he said as long as it was at my house. So Raye Dawn and
her family came over to see Kelsey at my house.
Smothermon: So
you had sole custody of Kelsey from January 24th through February 11th?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Smothermon: Did
Raye Dawn ask to see her more?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: On
February 11th court date, Judge Key allowed supervised visitation for Raye Dawn,
what was that arrangement?
Kathie Briggs: She had her Friday through Monday as long
as Mildred Fowler or Gayla was present.
Smothermon: Was
DHS involved in that decision?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: Meeker police?
NOTE:
Why would the Meeker police be involved? Their TRAINED INVESTIGATORS
reviewed every aspect of the case and found NO ABUSE.
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: So
for one month, nothing was out of the ordinary?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: On
March 11th another hearing what happened?
Kathie Briggs: Raye Dawn got unsupervised visitation
from Wednesday at noon until Thursday at noon and from Friday at 6pm until
Monday at noon.
Smothermon: How
many hours is that?
Kathie Briggs: 90 hours a week for Raye Dawn.
Smothermon: Thats
more hours than you had her?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Smothermon: But
there was a stipulation?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, she could not be with Michael Porter
during those visits.
Smothermon: Why?
Was that your request?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, I just had concerns and wanted to narrow it down if
something else happened, I would know where it was coming from.
Smothermon: So
you wanted this arrangement to work?
Kathie Briggs: Yes. I left Kelsey with Raye Dawn that
day, even a few hours early so we would not have to meet later that day.
Smothermon: The
very next time you got Kelsey March 14th, what did you find?
Kathie Briggs: She had a bruise on her head. Raye Dawn
said Kelsey fell off a four wheeler or something.
NOTE:
Remember during Rachelles testimony they showed Kelsey and Raye-Dawn on the
4-wheeler.
Smothermon: What
did you do?
Kathie Briggs: I just wrote it down.
Smothermon: Did
she get any bruises with you?
Kathie Briggs: No. She had one dog bite and one cat
scratch on her face, thats it.
NOTE:
Julie, the daycare provider testified that she was concerned about the bruises
that
Kelsey would come back from the Briggs visits with. She even filed a
report with
DHS. (The Confidential OCCY Report states that DHS has no record of this
report.)
Smothermon: Was
Kelsey playful with you, a normal 2 year old?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, I actually screwed a cabinet to the
wall and put locks on all of my cabinets becauseshe was so curious.
Smothermon: No bruises?
Kathie Briggs: No.
NOTE:
Raye Dawn has several photographs of bruises that Kelsey received during
Kathiesvisits.
Smothermon: March
21st, what happened?
Kathie Briggs: I got Kelsey and her eye was matted and
red. Raye Dawn said she got blood on her eye from the scrape on her hand. The
next morning I took her to the doctor because she said her throat hurt. The
doctor said she was sick with a sore throat and an eyeinfection.
NOTE:
The scrape on her hand came from the dog or the cat bite Kelsey received while
in Kathies care?
Smothermon: Did
you call DHS?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: Were
you concerned Raye Dawn had not taken her to the doctor?
Kathie Briggs: No, I was not concerned it was over the
weekend and she was just sick, I didnt think it was a big deal.
Smothermon: How
about March 24th?
Kathie Briggs: Her nose was blue on the bridge. Raye
Dawn said she had fallen in the kitchen. But her nose kept getting more swollen
all day. I took her to the ER in case it was broken.
Smothermon: Why
did you take her to the ER?
Kathie Briggs: Kelsey just kept saying, my nose, my nose
I would have taken my own kids.
NOTE:
In Kathies timeline on the memorial site that she has for Kelsey she PLAINLY
says that she took Kelsey in to the ER to DOCUMENT the injury.
Her own kids were in DHS custody for two years she wouldnt have been around to
take her own kids.
Smothermon: Raye
Dawn told you she fell in the kitchen while they were running?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, but nothing was broken.
Smothermon: You
called DHS?
Kathie Briggs: No, the doctor came in the room and told
us he had called DHS and the caseworker would be following up with us in the
morning.
NOTE:
According to the Confidential OCCY Report, there was never a report received
from a medical facility regarding this incident.
Smothermon: Did
you call DHS ever for this injury?
Kathie Briggs: I left a message with DHS worker Yolanda
Hunter, the woman I had talked with about Raye Dawns treatment plan, the next
morning. Kristal Johnson called back and asked to come over and take a picture.
Smothermon: March
31st what did you see on Kelsey?
Kathie Briggs: She had two bruises on her leg and two on
her back in the middle.
Smothermon: Did
you report it to DHS?
Kathie Briggs: No, I just recorded it.
Smothermon: April
4th?
Kathie Briggs: She had something wrong with her face, I
dont have specific notes about it. I remember it because Ashley made a referral
to DHS because Lance was home and they would have Kelsey all week for visitation
and she wanted DHS to know about the injury.
Smothermon: When
Raye Dawn is picking up Kelsey is she seeing bruises?
Kathie Briggs: Just the cat scratch and the dog bite.
Smothermon: Okay,
so Lance and Ashley had Kelsey until April 11th?
NOTE:
For a soldier supposedly in Iraq, Lance sure seemed to be home a lot!
Remember Kathie testified that in the fall (2004) is when Lance was to bedeployed
to Iraq, thats why she asked for additional visitation, and when she didnt
get it she hired an attorney. Yet Lance sure seems to be there a lot.
Kathie Briggs: Yes, Raye had missed her weekend visit so
she called me and wanted to make it up, so I called DHS and Kristal did not seem
interested, so I decided to allow her to make up the days.
Smothermon: So
Raye Dawn has her from the 12th through the 14th of April?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Smothermon: And
she brought her back with a sprained ankle?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, she had a doctors note saying it was
it was a sprained ankle. Ashley called DHS and they told her to keep her over
night and not give her back. So we gave her back on the 15th.
Smothermon: Raye
Dawn told you she tripped and fell on her flip flops?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, at the zoo.
Smothermon: Have
you ever seen those shoes?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: Did you buy them for her?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: On
the 14th what did the injury seem like?
Kathie Briggs: It seemed like a normal sprained ankle.
Smothermon: But
she wouldnt walk?
Kathie Briggs: No it was as if she was a toddler
learning to walk, she wouldnt walk around the room, she would just prop herself
up on the couch or the table.
Smothermon: When
you gave Kelsey back to Raye Dawn did she have some kind of mark on her?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, she had a bite mark, and Raye asked me if someone
in my family had bitten her, like one of my grand kids. And I said I didnt think
so. But when I asked Kelsey who bit her she said, Kelsey did it.
NOTE:
Previously Kathie testified under oath that Kelsey never received a bruise other
than a cat scratch or a dog bite!
Smothermon: On
the 19th when you got her back again, what happened?
Kathie Briggs: We were at Walmart and she tried to walk,
because she didnt want to get in the cart and she took four steps and said
cant. On the 20th I talked to a school nurse and a physical education teacher
about the ankle and they said it was not unusual; she had only had the
sprained ankle less than a week.
NOTE:
Remember previously when Kathie testified that she took Kelsey to the doctor for
a matted eye and not feeling well? Remember previously when Kathie
testified that she took Kelsey to the ER for the bump on the nose? She
wasnt concerned about Kelsey not walking? Strange, for someone documenting
child abuse so well and going to the doctor so often. Instead she asks a school
nurse and a PE teacher???
Smothermon: Between
5pm on the 18th and 4pm on the 21st was there anything that happened to Kelsey
in your care that could have caused two broken bones?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: She didnt fall in a hole?
NOTE:
This line of questioning stems from rumors that Kathie Briggs told the DHS
worker that Kelsey was playing and tripped and fell in a hole. She later
recanted, and claimed to have never made the statement. You will note that
Dr. Sullivan and Dr. Block both indicated that a break of Kelseys nature could
occur from falling in a hole. Is this a coincidence that both doctors
would use this analogy?
Kathie Briggs: No. On the 25th Yolanda hunter called and
told me Kelsey was at DHS because of her legs. And I said you mean her ankle?
And she said no, both of her legs. And that was the first time I heard about leg
injuries. On the 26th Raye Dawn dropped her off with me and has had a pink and a
green cast on and two broken legs.
Smothermon: So
when Raye Dawn found out both of her legs were broken she never asked you if
anything had happened during your visit with her?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: On
the 28th at noon, you got her back and something else was wrong?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, she had what I call a pump knot on
her nose. It was puffy, very puffy.
Raye Dawn said Kelsey had been elbowed by her stepsister in the night.
NOTE:
Kathie took Kelsey to the doctor for a matted eye, then she took Kelsey to the
ER for a knot on her nose (to document)- but didnt take her when she refused to
walk, and now didnt take her for the pump knot.Does anyone find this odd? Or is
it possible that Kathie did NOT SUSPECT Raye Dawn to be the ABUSER, as she has
stated or didnt suspect abuse at all!!
Smothermon: Did
you ask Kelsey what happened to her nose?
Kathie Briggs: No. Per the court order the last weekend
of the month, Kelsey spent with us, but Raye Dawns great grandmother died that
weekend and I told her she could take Kelsey to the services if she wanted to. On
the 28th I talked to a friend who works at a foot place and she told me I should
get Kelsey looked at for growth plate problems, and suggested I get a second
opinion with Dr. Sullivan in Oklahoma City. Her office actually made the
appointment. So I called Raye Dawn and told her I thought she should take her to
the appointment, and she told me she didnt want to take her to Oklahoma City
because if this doctor suspects abuse, he might take her into custody in
Oklahoma County. I told her the doctors said it was an accident and didnt think
that would even be an option.
Monday was her great grandmothers service and we could not get the appointment
changed, so I told Raye Dawn I would take her instead. So Kelsey went to the
lunch before the funeral and then I picked her up and took her to Oklahoma City.
Smothermon: And
what did you expect Dr. Sullivan would say?
Kathie Briggs: I never suspected someone would bruise or
break two of Kelseys legs.
Smothermon: What
did you do when he told you it was abuse?
Kathie Briggs: I was nauseous. I called Lance and told
him what the doctor said and told DHS that the doctors suspected the legs were
abuse. David Burgess, the DHS supervisor, called me the next morning and told me
they may have to take Kelsey in to DHS custody. So I called Raye Dawn and told
her that shes going into DHS custody.
NOTE:
She called Lance? Wait a minute I thought he was deployed in IRAQ!! They
told DHS they didnt know how to get in touch with him!!! Somethings
FISHY!! Also, according to the doctor and Kathie's own aunt, Kathie told the
doctor that Kelsey was being abused by Raye Dawn. She couldn't have been
nauseous because SHE TOLD HIM it was abuse.
Smothermon: How
did that make you feel?
Kathie Briggs: I was scared she would be going into a
foster home with strangers. I got some of her dolls together so she would have
something.
NOTE:
Raye Dawn called to check on Kelsey and to ask how the appointment went. Kathie
told Raye-Dawn that the Dr. said it was abuse and that DHS was taking Kelsey
into custody. Raye asked Kathie why she didnt call her, Raye was freaking out at
the prospect of her daughter going into foster care. That is when Raye
Dawn called Gayla and they raced over to DHS and filled out the proper
paperwork for Gayla to be the foster care provider. Kathie THOUGHT that
Kelsey would be placed with Lance and Ashley THATS WHY she didnt call Raye-Dawn.
But theres no ANIMOSITY there!
Smothermon: Then
the next morning what did you find out?
Kathie Briggs: She had been placed with Gayla. And I
realized Raye Dawn had begun pointing the finger at me saying I had abused
Kelsey, to DHS.
NOTE:
Honestly, think about this statement for a minute. Raye wasnt abusing
Kelsey who was the only other person to suspect? It wouldnt be Lance, he
wasnt around enough, or so Raye thought! I mean has anyone ever looked at
the pattern of abuse being found in Kathies presence? Kelsey was around
many, many people on a REGULAR basis, who NONE of them suspected abuse, until
Kathie mentioned it (Professionals, Doctors, etc) Were the professionals really
that careless? I mean they are the PROFESSIONALS!! They are TRAINED
and Kathie is not, yet she always seemed to notice the abusecoincidental?
Smothermon: So
then you go to court in May?
Kathie Briggs: For the show cause hearing.
Smothermon: And
what is the visitation schedule
Kathie Briggs: Gayla has her full time and each side
gets visits 4 hours a week at DHS. Sometimes we did one hour at a time, back to
back.
Smothermon: How
is your relationship with Raye Dawn now?
Kathie Briggs: I dont believe weve spoken to each other
since May.
NOTE:
But Kathie just testified that she wasnt aware of any animosity, before Kelsey
passed away.
Smothermon: But how did you think all of this would work out?
Kathie Briggs: I was very confident the judge would come
to the conclusion that I didnt do anything wrong, especially because DHS did not
remove any of my other grandkids who were living in my house at the time.
Smothermon: But
thats not what happened?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: You
went back to court on June 15th?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, and Kelsey went home with Raye Dawn.
Smothermon: So
on that day the judge dissolved the guardianship and adjudicated her deprived?
NOTE:
Smothermons office and associate the Assistant DA AGREED to this arrangement,
and then in September, agreed to remove all services from Raye-Dawns home.
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Smothermon: Basically
she went home with her mom?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Smothermon: So
from June 15th, 2005 through October 11, 2005 you were basically left out of the
equation?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
NOTE:
Kathie and Lance were both sent letters from DHS describing the investigation of
abuse and they were both listed as possible perpetrators of the abuse. That is
WHY they were not given visitation. Kathie didnt fight for visitation, like
Raye-Dawn did, when she lost custody in January!!
Smothermon: On August 27th DHS arranged for Ashley to have a 5
hour visit and you saw her at that time?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, we were all allowed to see her.
Smothermon: And
what did you see?
Kathie Briggs: She had lost weight, she had bruises on
her face, retinal eye hemorrhaging, she looked like she had just lost her
spirit.
NOTE:
Kelsey was in a car accident just 8 days prior to this visit. The bruises
in the photos came from the accident. The Confidential OCCY report,
mentions the accident, that it was not the fault of either parent and that they
reviewed the police report, to establish the report. Additionally,
Raye-Dawn called and reported the incident immediately the next morning. The
Briggs tried to call in abuse, but the calls were SCREENED OUT. Those photos
SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED in the case, because they did NOT SHOW ABUSE.
Period.
Smothermon: Was
any offer made for you to see Kelsey again?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Smothermon: And
you opted not to go to the one hour visit with Ashley at DHS correct?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, because of some of the things DHS had previously
written about me during the supervised visits at DHS that were not true. And
I wanted Ashley to have that hour to bond with Kelsey.
Smothermon: So
you saw her for three hours on the 27th and thats the last time you saw her?
NOTE:
Smothermons office approved the STOP OF VISITATION with the paternal
family, at Dr. Koons request, to study the seizures (possible night-terrors)
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Smothermon: How
did you find out she died?
Kathie Briggs: A friend from the beauty shop called and
told me Kelsey was at the hospital and may have had a seizure. So I called the
CASA worker and she told me that she believed Kelsey had had a seizure. Then she
called back and told me Kelsey didnt make it.
Smothermon: Did
you go to the hospital?
Kathie Briggs: No. I knew we were not welcome. My mother
and father in law went to the hospital but they were told to leave.
NOTE:
WHY? Why would you not go to the hospital? Who would give a crap if they were
welcome or not!! You get your butt out and get to that hospital!!
Smothermon: So
you never saw her between August 27th and her funeral?
Kathie Briggs: We didnt have an open casket so I never
saw her again.
Cross Examination-Huddleston
Huddleston: So
in your testimony you tried to tell me that there were no problems between the
Smith and the Briggs family?
Kathie Briggs: On August 15, 2004, the Smith and the
Briggs family went to a birthday party, there were no problems.
Huddleston: Youre
not saying there was no animosity between the families before January of 2005?
Kathie Briggs: Just typical divorce stuff because Raye
and Lance had gotten a divorce.
NOTE:
It is typical divorce stuff for the grandparents to file for custody?
Huddleston: You
have a large family, daughters, grandkids, are you saying no one in your family
said bad things about the Smith family?
Kathie Briggs: I have not created any kind of havoc with
them.
NOTE:
Dozens of emails between the suspected murder and rapist of your grandchild
telling him that you want Raye-Dawn arrested for murder and in prison, is no
havoc??
Huddleston: No animosity? How about the rest
of your family?
Kathie Briggs: Not that Im aware of.
NOTE:
She was fully aware that both Jeanna and Shirica were in email contact with
Michael Porter, and they were all addicted (that was Kathies statement)
to the bash-board, a forum that was used for the sole purpose of bashing the
Smith Family, and meant to draw any of the Smiths out for information. This is
COMPLETYLEY FALSE!!
Huddleston: Ashley said there was animosity?
Kathie Briggs: We were a typical divorce type family.
Huddleston: You
would agree Raye Dawn and Lance had a rocky marriage?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Lots
of situations?
Kathie Briggs: Yes. But I did not have anything against
Raye Dawn or her family. I babysat Kelsey all of the time. She stayed at my
house over night.
NOTE:
Raye only spent the night when her and Lance were married.
Huddleston: Isnt
it true the whole town of Meeker knew about the problems between your families?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know what other people say about
my family.
Huddleston: Okay,
would you agree Raye Dawn loved Kelsey?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know how she felt.
Huddleston: Did
Kelsey love Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: Yes she did.
NOTE:
How can Kathie not know how Raye-Dawn felt, but know how Kelsey felt?
Huddleston: March 11th you requested Michael
Porter not be around during unsupervised visitation, did you know anything about
Mr. Porter?
Kathie Briggs: Just his name and that he was Raye Dawns
boyfriend.
Huddleston: Did
you have any concerns about him? That something might be wrong about him being
around Kelsey?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: You
did not file that order because you any concerns about Mr. Porter?
Kathie Briggs: I had a gut feeling there was a problem. But
no one had given me any reason to think that it had to be him hurting her.
NOTE:
So the abuse was not readily apparent. There was no should have known?
Huddlseton: Did
you voice that gut feeling to anyone?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddlseton: Who?
Kathie Briggs: Raye Dawn.
Huddleston: What
did you say?
Kathie Briggs: I told her I was concerned Porter could
be hurting Kelsey.
Huddleston: When?
Kathie Briggs: I dont remember the exact date.
Huddleston: You
didnt write that down?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: So
youve recorded every bruise and you did not write that conversation down?
Kathie Briggs: No. I just documented markings on
Kelsey.
NOTE:
She never documented the dog bite or the cat scratch on Kelsey in her notes.
Is it possible that there were other injuries that occurred in her presence that
didnt get written down too? Humm, so there were NO NOTES, no DOCUMENTATION that
Mike was ever even suspected of injuring Kelsey but Raye should have known.
If Kathie had a suspicion, why isnt she in prison for ENABLING?
Huddleston: January
14th, 2005 you and Ashley both made a complaint to the Meeker Police Department?
Kathie Briggs: Actually the doctor called the police and
Matt Byers came to the ER and asked us for statements.
Huddleston: Did
you change Kelseys diaper during the time she was at your house that night?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: Is
it possible someone could have changed her diaper?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: Did
Ashley ever leave Kelseys side?
Kathie Briggs: She was with her the whole time I was
watching.
NOTE:
And no one bothered to check her diaper? Remember the ER Dr. testified
that she had a diaper rash!! 4 hours with no change, wouldnt that be
AGONIZINGLY PAINFUL?
Huddleston: How
many people were in the living room?
Kathie Briggs: More than 20.
Huddleston: Do
you have more than 2 rooms in the house?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Im
sure someone had to have gone to the restroom
Kathie Briggs: Im sure.
Huddleston: So
you cant be sure someone didnt change her diaper?
Kathie Briggs: We all had contact with Kelsey, no one
was alone with Kelsey, and no one changed her diaper.
Huddleston: When
you went to the hospital isnt it true you pushed this case on Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: We told him who the mother was and when
it happened.
Huddleston: Do
you remember the tone of your statement?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: When you found out the Meeker
Police Department would not be filing charges you filed for civil guardianship?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: After
the police department did not charge anyone did you file a complaint against the
police department?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: You
took Kelsey to your family pediatrician correct?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Have you sued her?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: Then
Raye Dawn started taking her to Dr. Koons, have you sued her?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: Has
anyone in your family?
Kathie Briggs: Lance sued on Kelseys behalf.
NOTE:
What a way to dance around the truth. Does anyone find it odd that every
one of the professionals that Raye took Kelsey to were sued? However NONE
of the professionals that Kathie took Kelsey to were sued?
Huddleston: Do you agree with the suit?
Kathie Briggs: Its not my suit.
Huddleston: Do you agree with why your
lawyer filed the suit?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: On
March 21st you said something was wrong with Kelseys eye, and you took her to
your pediatrician the next day correct? And she was just sick?
Kathie Briggs: Thats right.
Huddleston: So we can scratch that off as an
incident correct?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: March
24th, the nose, you believe she fell in the kitchen like Raye Dawn said?
Kathie Briggs: I have no reason to believe otherwise.
NOTE:
Notice the PRESENT TENSE of this statement!! In other words all the way up
through June 2007 (during the trial) Raye had NEVER given Kathie reason to
believe that she would abuse or ever has abused Kelsey. That says A LOT.
Huddleston: How
about this picture of the bruise on her nose, is that a bruise any child can
get?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: You
thought she had a broken nose?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, she complained about it a lot.
NOTE:
So this is a plausible injury according to Kathie Briggs she wasnt worried about
abuse even AFTER she had been awarded temporary custody. Why were these
photos of NON-ABUSE INCIDENTS allowed in the trial?
Huddleston: So you took her to the ER? Not
the doctor the next day?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, I debated about that but took her to
the ER.
Huddleston: And
you say the doctor called DHS over this injury?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: What information did you give
the doctor for him to call?
Kathie Briggs: None. I figured he saw the previous
incidents in her chart.
Huddleston: So a doctor didnt call DHS over
the collarbone a couple of months earlier, but this doctor calls DHS over this
bruise? Why would he call over this incident?
Kathie Briggs: Ask him.
NOTE:
Again, another injury that is miraculously found in Kathies presence that is
abuse.
Huddleston: Did
you testify on June 15th and 16th under oath?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: When asked under oath if you
made a lot of referrals to DHS. You said I have not made all of those referrals.
Ive only made one or two since January. So which is it Kathie? Youre telling us
today that you did not make any referrals yet you testified under oath that you
made a lot? Which is it?
NOTE:
GREAT POINT HUDDLESTON!!!
Kathie Briggs: My original impression was that every
time you call DHS it is a referral. But now I know unless you are calling to
report abuse then it is not a referral.
Huddleston: So
you called a lot and complained?
Kathie Briggs: I asked questions.
Huddleston: During
March of 2005, Kelseys hair was falling out?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Do you believe she was under a
lot of stress?
Kathie Briggs: Yes I do.
Huddleston: Now
were in this hostile environment did you say anything bad about the Smith
family?
Kathie Briggs: Not in Kelseys presence.
Huddleston: You
were angry?
Kathie Briggs: I was concerned for Kelsey.
Huddleston: Is
it true you dont like Gayla Smith?
Kathie Briggs: I dont care for her.
NOTE:
It is IMPORTANT to note that Kathie and Gayla had met on VERY FEW occasions they
were not buddies, or pals, or even acquaintances at any time. How Kathie
formed the opinion that she didnt like Gayla is a mystery.
Huddleston: So
you say she only got 2 bruises in your care?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
NOTE:
What about the Dog Bite and the Cat scratch? Those arent BRUISES?
Earlier Kathie testified that Kelsey never received a BRUISE in her care!! What
about the bite mark?
Huddleston: Do
your other 11 grandchildren get bruises?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Did
she get bruises when she was with Ashley and Lance?
Kathie Briggs: Not to my knowledge.
Huddleston: Wasnt
Ashley coming over to your house all of the time?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: And
she didnt get any bruises? Ever?
Kathie Briggs: Not that I recall.
NOTE:
Could this be because Kelsey was usually only around Kathie for a matter of a
couple hours, and most bruises take several hours to show up? (Per Dr. Koons &
Dr. Yacoub & Dr. Carl Griffin & Dr. Block)
Huddleston: On
April 4th, why doesnt Ashley ever remember making that referral?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know.
Huddleston: Tell
me about all of these pictures?
Kathie Briggs: We took a lot of pictures of Kelsey.
Huddleston: Is it true you had three or four
people looking over Kelsey when she would leave for Raye Dawns house?
Kathie Briggs: That was under advisement of my attorney.
Huddleston: Would you say Kelsey was being
examined, looking for everything you could find?
Kathie Briggs: We were advised to examine her.
NOTE:
Wouldnt this be considered abusive by nature? Having 3-4 people who
are not physicians EXAMINE every inch of Kelsey? Yet there were no 3-4 people
examining her when she took 4 steps at Walmart then refused to walk all weekend,
not even a physician!
Huddleston: On April 14th Kelsey was brought
to you by Miste and Raye Dawn correct?
Kathie Briggs: Yes. To the ball field.
Huddleston: You
learned that day that she injured herself a the zoo? And you would agree Raye
Dawn was not present?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know.
Huddleston: On
April 15th you gave her back to Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: On
April 18th you got her back?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: So between the 19th, 20th and
21st she was basically crawling under your care and you did not take her to the
doctor because some friends told you it was normal?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
NOTE:
The Oklahoma Statutes Title 10 clearly points out that the failure to act
when a child is visibly injured is NEGLECT.
Huddleston: On
April 25th Raye Dawn took Kelsey to Dr. Koons who refers her to Dr. Barrett, are
you suing her?
Kathie Briggs: Lance is.
Huddleston: And
explain this foot doctor story to me?
Kathie Briggs: Cheryl Watts at the foot clinic explained
growth plates to me and I went to get a second opinion per her recommendation.
Huddleston; Kathie
you took two x-rays to Dr. Sullivan is that correct?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Who
gave you his diagnosis?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Did
you give the doctor her history?
Kathie Briggs: I told him about the other doctors
opinions.
Huddleston: Did
you tell him she was crawling with you?
Kathie Briggs: We discussed her condition.
Huddleston: What
did you do with the x-rays?
Kathie Briggs: I kept them.
Huddleston: Why
did we have to get them from the civil attorneys?
Kathie Briggs: I turned them over to my civil
attorney when he asked for them when Kelsey died.
NOTE:
But remember Kathie was ADAMENT that SHE was not suing anyone. So why would
HER attorney need them?
Huddleston: Did you take the x-rays to
police?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: Even though the doctor told you
they were abuse? You didnt take them to DHS?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: The D.A.?
Kathie Briggs: No. That was my copy.
NOTE:
Why did Kathie Briggs need a copy of the X-rays, but she didnt think it was
necessary for the cops or the DA or DHS to have a copy??? Was she building
a civil case? Or a case for custody? Did she KNOW that Kelsey wasnt being
abused by Raye Dawn?
Huddleston: So is it true that you made an
allegation against Raye Dawn, that she broke Kelseys legs? And she accused you?
Kathie Briggs: I never said Raye Dawn broke Kelseys
legs, I felt it was either she or Michael Porter but that it happened in that
house.
NOTE:
The emails are PROOF that Kathie, Shirica, & Jeanna all accused Raye-Dawn of
breaking Kelseys legs.
Huddleston: Were you upset when DHS pulled
Kelsey out of your home based on these allegations? You were the legal
guardians?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, I was upset.
NOTE:
But she was packing up Kelseys things getting her all ready to go to her foster
home
Huddleston: Dont
you think my client probably felt the same way?
Kathie Briggs: She probably did.
NOTE:
Thats why she RACED over to DHS. She wasnt going to just give up on Kelsey.
Huddleston: In
May of 2005 did you or any of your family members follow my client?
Kathie Briggs: I was behind her once and saw that the
tag on her car was expired by six months and that she had replaced it with a tag
from another vehicle.
NOTE:
Even Meeker Police were sick of Kathie calling in false reports against
Raye-Dawn. They were told that they couldnt file harassment charges due to
the conflict of interest because of the pending custody case. (See Matt Byers
Testimony)
Huddleston: So
you just happened to be behind her?
Kathie Briggs: I pulled out from my daughters house and
when we reached the four way stop in Meeker she would not let me pass and would
not go through the stop sign. So I called police and reported it.
Huddleston: Did you stalk Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: No, I drove by twice to see if the police
had responded to my call before going to the school for a party.
NOTE:
In Kathies timeline on the memorial website that she has for Kelsey she even
mentions the fact that Raye-Dawn was packing her car for a garage sale!
That is WAY more than just a haphazard encounter. That is STALKING!
Huddleston: So you called to report my
client had an outdated tag. Have you ever done that before?
Kathie Briggs: No, she committed a crime and it was my
civic duty to report that.
Huddleston: Have you ever done it again?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: The
what do you call it? A pump knot?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Did DHS take pictures?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Were you present?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, they took the pictures at my house.
Huddleston: On
April 28th Kelsey was at your house and she started crying uncontrollably for
her mommy?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Why
was she crying so uncontrollably?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know.
Huddleston: What were you doing to her?
Kathie Briggs: Nothing, she had two casts on her legs
and was probably very uncomfortable.
Huddleston: So
you called my client to come see what was wrong and make her stop?
Kathie Briggs: Yes. If she wanted her mother than I
wanted her to have her mother. But then when Raye Dawn got to the house Kelsey
would not go to her mom and she had stopped crying. So when she left I asked
Kelsey why she would not go to her mom and she said I wanted Mommy Ashley.
Huddleston: Those pictures that were taken
at Teris house, by Ashley, of the nose?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: After that Teri made a
complaint? Called in a referral? DHS came on the 29th for an investigation?
Kathie Briggs: yes
Huddleston: They took statements from
Michael Porter and Whitney and determined Whitney elbowed Kelsey in the nose?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: You
testified in June that Kelsey should be returned to Raye Dawn at some point?
Kathie Briggs: I said I would like to see Kelsey
returned some day.
Huddleston: Even though Michael Porter lived
in the home?
Kathie Briggs: I said I would eventually like to see
them reunited someday.
Huddleston: And who should have made that
decision?
Kathie Briggs: Judge Key.
Huddleston: Didnt you sponsor Sheila Kirk to
run against Judge Key?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: There
were monthly reviews in August, September did you go to any of those reviews?
Kathie Briggs: No. Our guardianship had been dissolved
we were told we had no rights because we were the grandparents.
NOTE:
They had the right to appeal the courts decision. Everyone always has the right
to appeal. The truth is, Kathie knew Lance was NOT IN IRAQ and she was just
going ot wait for him to get home from rehab, and try again to get custody.
Huddleston: Did
you set up the website Kelseys Purpose?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
NOTE:
I am sure that it was for Kathies protection but actually the LEGAL and BINDING
OWNER of KELSEYS PURPOSE is MICHAEL BRIGGS, Kathies brother in law the
technician for the site
Huddleston: Is
it true members have harassed and threatened Mildred Fowler?
Kathie Briggs: Not that Im aware of.
Huddleston: Have you accused Gayla of crimes
on the website?
Kathie Briggs: Not that Im aware of.
NOTE:
Way do dance around the question. She may not have actually threatened
Gayla on the website, but she CERTAINLY threatened her and stated that she was
after Gayla, as well as a whole host of other people in the emails between
her and the murderer and rapist of her grandchild. She
isnt aware of this, probably like she isnt aware of any animosity between her
and Raye Dawn.
Huddleston: Are you aware of some turmoil at
Kelseys grave?
Kathie Briggs: Ive heard about that.
Huddleston: That
things have been removed from Kelseys grave?
Kathie Briggs: Both families have had things removed.
NOTE:
Just a second ago she said she heard about it, now she is acknowledging it?
Huddleston: How
often do you call Mr. Smothermon?
Kathie Briggs: Not very.
NOTE:
Not very often, like she didnt call DHS very often> or not very often like she
didnt stalk Raye-Dawn? How not very?? Explain.
Huddleston: Have you pushed this case
against Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: Has
Lance sued CHBS?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: The
doctors?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: CASA?
Kathie Briggs: That was dropped.
NOTE:
It is important to note that ALL of the Briggs lawsuits have been dropped on the
basis of no foundation for civil recovery.
Huddleston: After
October 11th, 2005 in January of 2006 you started email conversations with Mr.
Porter?
Kathie:
He contacted me.
NOTE:
Actually he contacted Shirica, who in turn contacted Kathie, after Shirica and
Porter shared about 33 + emails back and forth. Shirica assured Porter that
Kathie did want to contact Porter and would respond to his emails.
Huddleston: You replied?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: How
many emails?
Kathie Briggs: Dozens.
NOTE:
Over 100 emails total between Porter, Shirica, & Kathie dozens, upon dozens.
Huddleston: Less than 90 days after the
death of your granddaughter you met with the man who murdered her?
Kathie Briggs: He was only accused, he was not
convicted.
NOTE:
At that time he was the ONLY one accused!
Huddleston: Did you shake his hand?
Kathie Briggs: NO.
Huddleston: Were you nice to him?
Kathie Briggs: Cordial.
NOTE:
In the emails, after their meeting, Kathie said it was nice meeting with you and
II enjoyed our visit most would consider that kind of behavior more than cordial
Huddleston: Why would you meet with him?
Kathie Briggs: I had many questions about what happened
to my grand-daughter.
NOTE:
But NEVER in 100 emails did Kathie or Shirica or Jeanna ask what happened to
Kelsey!
Huddleston: You mean you wanted to build a
case against my client?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Huddleston: Weve discussed theres no one
else involved what else could there have been to talk about besides Raye Dawn?
Kathie Briggs: I did not talk to him about the day
Kelsey died. I asked about several specific incidents.
NOTE:
Specific incidents for information regarding her CIVIL CASES
Huddleston: You did not ask Mr. Porter about
the day your granddaughter died?
Kathie Briggs: No. I told him I could not change what
happened that day and he would have his day in court.
Huddleston: Have you talked with Smothermon
about the charges at this point?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: The rectal bruises?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Huddleston: And you still met with him?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, I needed to know some things about
what happened to my grand-daughter.
NOTE:
YET, she NEVER asked him about Kelsey!! She wanted to know about who she
could sue!! She knew about the possibility of SEXUAL ASSAULT on
Kelsey and she STILL met with Porter!! What reason, other thanCONSPIRACY would
a grandmother have to meet with the person who there is EVIDENCE AGAINST for
causing her death!!
Huddleston: You posted on Kelseys Purpose
after Porter went to prison that you were only using him for information.
Information on my client?
Kathie Briggs: I asked him for information about DHS and
Judge Key.
NOTE:
And information on Raye-Dawn remember Mike wanted to hand her over on a silver
platter.
Huddleston: Were
you contacted about the plea agreement reached with Michael Porter?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, we discussed it before he made the
deal.
Huddleston: Are
you aware no one from the DAs office contacted my client about the deal?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know what the DAs office did.
Huddleston: Nothing
further.
Redirect-Pattye High
Pattie
High: Ms.
Briggs, are you aware that the DAs office is not in the practice of discussing
plea negotiations with the family of another person charged in connection with a
case?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know what the practice is, but
that make sense.
Patti
High: He
accused you of calling us and pushing this case, correct?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Patti High: Is it
true you have been very vocal in this case?
Kathie Briggs: I suppose.
Patti High: Why?
Kathie Briggs: Because Kelsey cant speak for herself and
I have taken on that role.
Patti High: Youve
especially spent time lobbying at the legislature?
Kathie Briggs: Yes, I asked for a law to be passed so no
other children die in the same way Kelsey did.
Patti High: Had DHS,
the police department, Judge Key listened to you, would any of these things be
necessary if Kelsey was not dead?
Kathie Briggs: No.
NOTE:
NOTICE that the prosecution NEVER mentioned RAYE DAWN in that statement
as a person responsible. ONLY those that Kathie or Lance was attempting
to sue or blame.
Patti High: At the
end of the day, you were right?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Patti
High: Because
Kelsey was murdered?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
NOTE:
Kathie was correct - she originally suspected Mike Porter but did NOTHING about
it! Isnt that the exact same thing that Raye was on trial for???
Patti
High: You
told Judge Key the only time you would agree to let Kelsey go back with Raye
Dawn, also in your testimony from that day, that Mr. Huddleston did not read to
the jury, you said you would only agree to send her back when there were no
longer any injuries?
Kathie Briggs: I didnt remember I said that, but yes.
Patti
High: After
your contacts with DHS and Teris contacts with Kelsey were taken away did she
die?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
Patti
High: Are
you proud of the phone call you made to the Meeker Police Department about Raye
Dawns tag?
Kathie Briggs: No. I was very frustrated with the police
department at that time.
NOTE:
Kathie previously stated that it was her CIVIC DUTY now she admits that it was
out of frustration, aka STALKING!
Patti
High: When
you picked up the x-rays did you think that was the only copy?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Patti
High: Were
you trying to save them because gosh, months later Kelsey would be murdered and
there would be a criminal investigation?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Patti
High: For
you to believe the knot on the nose, the bruise on the nose, the clavicle story,
youd have to believe Raye Dawn Smith?
Kathie Briggs: Yes.
NOTE:
Didnt Kathie previously testify UNDER OATH that she did believe Raye-Dawn
Smith, On all of the occasions just mentioned by Patti High?!!!
Patti High: Did
anyone ever have to report abuse on you about injuries?
Kathie Briggs: No, the only time she was injured in my
care was a cat scratch and a dog bite and I documented those.
NOTE:
OH but Kathie testified earlier to 2 bruises, and a bite bruise also! Hummm.
Patti
High: Is
it all of the injuries that concern you?
Kathie Briggs: The consistent pattern.
Patti
High: When
Mr. Huddleston mentions DHS investigations what does he mean?
Kathie Briggs: Generally DHS just got a statement from
Raye Dawn and took pictures.
Patti
High: Do
you know if DHS ever requested a report from Dr. Sullivan about his opinion on
the legs?
Kathie Briggs: I dont know.
Patti
High: Did
you ever, ever foresee this moment, that your grandchild would be dead and youd
be testifying for her death and abuse?
Kathie Briggs: No.
Kathies testimony ended abruptly when the prosecution tried to introduce an
email between she and Mike Porter into the court and the judge denied it saying
it was attached to the wrong witness.
NOTE:
The emails were NOT ALLOWED as evidence. Even though the emails were
between KATHIE and MIKE PORTER how could they be attached to the wrong
I was reading Kathie's Testimony and remembered that I had heard several
versions of "the story" and thought I'd do some research and see what I could
find and why I thought it was different. As it turns out, there are clearly 3
versions to this story and ALL by the Briggs family. I find this odd, one would
think it would be VERY CLEAR in the memory of a grandparent and aunt as to how
they learned their grandchild died.....What do you guys think?
Kathie Briggs Testimony;
Smothermon: How did you find out she died?
Kathie Briggs: A friend from the beauty shop called and told me Kelsey was at
the hospital and may have had a seizure. So I called the CASA worker and she
told me that she believed Kelsey had had a seizure. Then she called back and
told me Kelsey didnt make it.
Shirica's Version of how they found out Kelsey died; (post on KP)
ShiricaSuper Moderator Posts: 174Group: Super ModeratorsJoined: Nov 2005Status:
Away Reputation: Post: #2RE: I'm CONFUSED First of all, Lance was in Ft.
Benning, Georgia on the day that Kelsey died. That fact has never been disputed.
Lance had been in Iraq and was sent to Georgia to do his out process that they
make soldiers complete before returning home from war. He was set to come home
very soon and had been in Georgia for a couple of weeks. We were very grateful
that he was in Georgia on the day Kelsey died because it allowed us to get him
home by that night. If he had been in Iraq it would have taken a lot longer. On
October 11th my mom, Kathie, received a call from a friend that Kelsey had been
taken to the hospital by ambulance. Kathie contacted the CASA worker and asked
her to find out what was going on. The worker assured mom that she would call
her back after she knew. DHS and CASA was at the hospital and so was Raye's
family. I happened to have a friend that worked in the area and she was willing
to go and see what was going on. I received a phone call while at work that
Kelsey was dead from my friend. NOT a family member, not DHS, Not CASA, no one.
I then called my mom and had to tell her over the phone while she was home alone
that Kelsey was dead. I called both of my sisters and told them to get to mom as
fast as they could. It took me twenty minutes to get to her home from work. When
I pulled in her driveway Lance was calling mom from a payphone in Georgia and
was then told of the death of his daughter.
Kathie's Version of how she found out about Kelseys death: (NOTE: this speech
was given approx 8 weeks after Kelsey died) (posted on KP was the copy of the
speech, here is the portion of how she learned of Kelsey's death)
Speech given by Kathie Briggs at the Justice For Children Rally at the State
Capital in Oklahoma City, Okla.
On October 11th, I received a call from a friend that Kelsey had been taken to
the hospital. I contacted the CASA worker and asked her to check on the
situation. I called her again and she told me Kelsey had a seizure and she would
call me back. She never did.
We heard from a friend at the hospital that Kelsey had died. My son called
thirty minutes later from Ft. Benning, Georgia, and I had to give him the news
that would change his life forever. Our family was never contacted by DHS. They
did not make any effort to call the Red Cross to notify my son that his only
child was gone. We made the calls necessary and got Lance home that night. A few
days later we got the news; Kelsey's death was listed as a homicide.
Terri Sigman Testimony
Teri Sigmunds Testimony
Kelsey was Teris step-granddaughter, Teris daughter Ashley was married to Lance
Briggs, Kelseys father.
Prosecution: How old was Kelsey the first time you saw her?
Sigmund: 3 months old.
Prosecution: On January 14th, 2005, what happened?
Sigmund: Ashley and Lance came over with Kelsey to see my son and my daughter in
law who were in town from Hawaii.
Prosecution: What was Kelsey like?
Sigmund: She was real quiet and acted like she didnt feel good. Usually she just
hit the door running.
Prosecution: And you took these pictures of Kelseys rear and back, correct?
Sigmund: Yes.
Prosecution: Did you call DHS on these bruise?
Sigmund: No, the ER doctor did.
Prosecution: How many times did you call DHS to report abuse?
Sigmund: At the end of March, Raye Dawn brought her back with a big bruise and I
wanted to report it, but the caseworker never called me back. When she twisted
her ankle and they told me she fell in her flip flops I was concerned because
she had shorts and a t- shirt on and no other scrapes or bruises.
Prosecution: Why did you call DHS?
Sigmund: I called because Im Kelseys grandma.
Prosecution: Did you call the hotline?
Sigmund: No, I called and specifically talked to caseworkers.
Prosecution: Of all of those calls how many times did DHS call you back to find
out what you knew?
Sigmund: None.
Pattie
shows jurors pictures of Kelsey on August 27th, 2005, the last day anyone in the
Briggs family saw Kelsey.
Prosecution: What did you see in the August visit?
Sigmund: She had lost a lot of weight, her eye was blood read, she had bruises
all over her face and her little thigh. I went straight home and called her CASA
worker and said I was very concerned.
Prosecution: Something was not right?
Sigmund: I was scared and after seeing her I was scared she wouldnt be here
when her daddy got home.
Cross Examination-Tim Henderson
Defense: When did you give those pictures of Kelsey on the last day you saw her
to the media?
Sigmund: I dont remember giving them to the media. A lot of people had copies of
them.
Defense: Is it your testimony that DHS was blowing off calls, the state agency
in charge of protecting children, just blowing off your phone calls?
Sigmund: I dont know why they didnt call me back.
Defense: Your daughter Ashley was married to Lance Briggs?
Sigmund: Yes.
Defense: Youre divorced from Raye Dawns uncle?
Sigmund: Yes, years ago.
Defense: Were you aware Ashley took notes?
Sigmund: Yes, she took notes.
Defense: You took notes for this thing?
Sigmund: Yes.
Defense: Can I see them?
Sigmund: Yes.
Defense: When did you talk to the DA?
Sigmund: When they broke for lunch
Defense: Did you ever give Ashley any advice about what to write in her notes?
Sigmund: No.
Defense: What time did you see Kelsey on the 14th?
Sigmund: 7 or 7:30.
Defense: Who picked Kelsey up? T
Sigmund: The kids got her from Kathie.
Defense: How many times did you change her diaper on the 14th?
Sigmund: I didnt, no one did until Ashley gave her a bath.
Defense: Did you give her any food?
Sigmund: I dont remember.
Defense: Any juice?
Sigmund: Yes, she always had juice in her sippy cup.
Defense: Kids who drink a lot of juice have to go to the bathroom a lot?
Sigmund: I guess.
Defense: You say Ashley screamed when she saw the bruises on her bottom?
Sigmund: She screamed my name.
Defense: So she screamed for you to come there and what did you think?
Sigmund: I thought my god what happened.
Defense: What did Ashley say?
Sigmund: She just couldnt understand what had happened.
Defense: Did the bruises make you mad?
Sigmund: Concerned.
Defense: Did you call Raye Dawn?
Sigmund: Lance called Raye Dawn and asked what happened to her. He said she
told him she didnt know that there were bruises.
Defense: Lets look at all of these pictures you took that night. Are you moving
her around house naked and taking different pictures of her?
Sigmund: We took several pictures that night.
Defense: This one is in the kitchen. This one is in the bathroom. Is that a
hairbrush I see there?
Sigmund: Its my brush, that I keep in the bathroom.
Defense: Whose hand is this?
Sigmund: I dont know, mine or Ashleys.
Defense: What is this smear? Is that some kind of flaw in the development of
this picture?
Sigmund: I dont know, I havent seen it before.
Defense: Whats Kelsey chewing on?
Sigmund: A toothbrush.
Defense: Did she have good teeth?
Sigmund: Yes.
Defense: So my client kept her with good oral hygiene?
Sigmund: Yes.
Defense: In January of 2005, were Lance and Ashley fighting with Raye Dawn over
custody of Kelsey?
Sigmund: No, Lance was gone in the military and had visitation when he was home
on leave.
Defense: When Kelsey sprained her ankle was she running?
Sigmund: Thats what we were told.
Defense: Where was she running, the grass, those chopped tires on the
playground?
Sigmund: I dont know.
Defense: So she could have fallen anywhere?
Sigmund: I guess.
Defense: Did you ever see Kelsey between the 18th and the 21st of April?
Sigmund: She was with the Briggs that week.
Defense: Did you go over there?
Sigmund: No.
Defense: Why?
Sigmund: No particular reason, I was busy that week.
Defense: When Kelsey wouldnt walk you didnt take any pictures of her?
Sigmund: No. Her ankle wasnt overly swollen.
Defense: Is it fair to say Raye Dawn was under close scrutiny by a number of
people?
Sigmund: She was supposed to be, shes Kelseys mom.
Defense: Do you have any evidence to contradict that Raye Dawn was not at the
zoo?
Sigmund: No. I wasnt there.
Defense: So you dont have any reason to believe she was?
Sigmund: No.
Defense: Was Kathie Briggs calling DHS?
Sigmund: I dont know.
Defense: Did you take pictures of the cat scratch and the dog bite that she got
at the Briggs?
Sigmund: No.
Defense: Is that because any injuries she got at the Briggs dont matter?
Sigmund: No.
Redirect-Pattye High
Prosecution: Why did you not take pictures?
Sigmund: They seemed explainable.
Prosecution: How do you know Kelsey was at the zoo?
Sigmund: I dont thats what we were told.
Prosecution: So we dont know anything about what happened, other than what Raye
Dawn has told us?
Sigmund: No
Prosecution: Are broken legs normal injuries?
No.
Prosecution: A broken clavicle?
No.
Prosecution: Abrasions on her bottom?
No.
Prosecution: Facial bruises?
No.
Prosecution: Does it make a difference to you when you look at all of the
injuries when you look at the way Kelsey died?
No, they werent normal injuries, like she fell down.
Prosecution: Do you agree as long as those inspections were occurring and you
were taking pictures that as long as that went on Kelsey stayed alive?
Yes.
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I was reading the testimonies of Kathie's, Teri's and Ashleys and noticed a
couple things. Keep in mind that Raye picked Kelsey up from the Daycare at
approx. 5:00pm and dropped her off at Kathie's home at approx. 5:45pm. on
January 14th, 2005.
The testimony's are as follows;
Kathie Briggs Testimony in Trial;
Smothermon: Okay in January, lets talk about the broken collarbone?
Kathie Briggs: The weekend before I was supposed to have Kelsey but Raye Dawn
never showed up. I called her relatives and the next weekend she did. On January
14th, Raye Dawn told me she fell out of the bed and broke her collarbone.
Smothermon: Did you see any bruises?
Kathie Briggs: It was dark and Raye Dawn just told me she had a brace on. I got
Kelsey home and noticed bruises on her face. Lance was home on leave and we were
having a birthday party so she stayed at our house for about 2 hours until
7:45pm.
Teri Sigmon's Testimony
Prosecution: On January 14th, 2005, what happened?
Sigmund: Ashley and Lance came over with Kelsey to see my son and my daughter
in law who were in town from Hawaii.
Defense: What time did you see Kelsey on the 14th?
Sigmund: 7 or 7:30.
Defense: Who picked Kelsey up?
Sigmund: The kids got her from Kathie.
Defense: How many times did you change her diaper on the 14th?
Sigmund: I didnt, no one did until Ashley gave her a bath.
Defense: Did you give her any food?
Sigmund: I dont remember.
Defense: Any juice?
Sigmund: Yes, she always had juice in her sippy cup.
Ashley's Testimony;
Ashley: I did not notice anything out of the ordinary until January 14,2005.
Kathie called us to tell us Raye Dawn told her when she dropped her off
that Kelsey had a broken collarbone and that she had fallen out of her crib and
hit a slide. That night from 6:45 to 7:30 we were at Kathies house for a
birthday
party. At 8 we went to my moms house to meet my brother and his wife
who were in town from Hawaii.
Huddleston: So do you have any personal knowledge of where Kelsey
was before 6pm on the 14th?
Ashley: No.
NOW, Does anyone see anything wrong with the time line? From 5:45pm Kelsey was
with Kathie (according to Ashley, who states they were "at Kathies from 6:45pm
to 7:30pm). Kathie said Kelsey was at her house approx 2 hours until 7:45pm.
SO....who was with Kelsey from 5:45pm until Ashley got there at 6:45pm? Or did
Lance and Ashley have her during that hour alone? Or was it Kathie that had her
during that hour alone?
KEEP IN MIND, THE DAYCARE HAD KELSEY UNTIL 5:00PM, RAYE DROPPED HER OFF WITH
KATHIE AT 5:45PM. THE DAYCARE DIDN'T SEE BRUISES, NEITHER DID RAYE. BUT....LATE
THAT NIGHT THERE ARE SOME???? ENOUGH TO TAKE HER TO THE ER??? However, it wasn't
concerning enough to make Teri want to go to the ER with Ashley and Lance, BUT
was enough for Kathie to go? Hmmmm.... Odd, don't you think?
How can anyone feel that in 45 minutes Raye could put bruises on Kelsey (the
time from daycare to Kathies) BUT no one seems to question the HOUR that Kathie
had her alone, much less the HOURS that Kelsey was with the
Briggs/party/Teri's/Lance and Ashley's OH and the multiple family guests at the
party.
AND, Keep in mind that Kelsey was in diapers, BUT NO ONE CHANGED HER DIAPER in a
5 HOUR time frame??? Who is kidding who here? I'm sorry, I know this is just my
opinion, but something just isn't adding up on this.
What do you think?
Donna Gilbreath Testimony
Donna Gilbreath is currently a supervisor at Lewis
Manufacturing in Meeker, OK and was Raye Dawns supervisor when she was
employed at Lewis.
Gilbreath: At
Lewis we make utility belts and safety harnesses for oil field workers.
Raye-Dawn braided grips and would come over to my work station for more work
several times a day. One day she came over and I noticed she had a new
engagement ring on her hand. We started talking about her new ring. She told us
she was engaged to Michael Porter. I asked her how Kelsey felt about getting a
new daddy. She told me Kelsey didnt like Mike. I asked her why? And she said
because she says Mike is mean to her. What doyou
mean hes mean to her? He makes her mind. I told her shes a baby and that
you have to listen to her. Kids do not lie. You are the sole protector of
Kelsey, if you dont protect her, who will?
Smothermon: But you did not give up trying to talk to Raye
Dawn?
Gilbreath: I
asked her about three times what mean means, and
after the third time she started avoiding me.
Smothermon: Did
she seem concerned about what you were saying to her?
Gilbreath: No,
she just didnt act like she was enthused. We were
trying to get her to check into this. We thought we could talk to her because
shes Mildred Fowlers granddaughter.
Smothermon: So she was not very concerned?
Gilbreath: She just kind of
flubbed it off cause we were nosing into
her business.
Smothermon: You
mentioned Raye Dawn thought Kelsey was jealous of Mike?
Gilbreath: She
told me Kelsey would get jealous when she and Mike
would kiss and hug on eachother. She told me Little Miss attitude shes really
been acting up since me and Mike got together.
Smothermon: Was
Raye Dawn working there when Kelsey died?
Gilbreath: No.
Smothermon: But
you saw her the next day?
Gilbreath:
Yes, she came in with another girl who worked with us,
Sarah Winters and into the office and talked to Rita Ballard.
Smothermon: What
did you think when you saw her?
Gilbreath: I
was just kind of shocked, I did a double take.
Smothermon: What
was she like?
Gilbreath: I
didnt see her crying. When she came out I went to
lunch.
Smothermon: Did
she appear upset?
Gilbreath: Not
for someone who just lost a baby.
Smothermon: Was it odd?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Smothermon: So
in January you became aware the Meeker Police Department was investigating
Raye Dawn for abuse?
Gilbreath:
Yes, one day she came over and snatched the grips out of
my hand and I asked her if something was wrong. She said, that bitch has accused
me of child abuse.
Smothermon: And
who did you think she was talking about?
Gilbreath: I
thought about it and realized she was talking about
Kathie Briggs.
Smothermon: What
else did she tell you?
Gilbreath: She
said Carl Leabo had been up to her apartment and
because Kelsey had some marks and someone had accused her of using a brush on
her. I asked her, did you do it? She said Kelsey kept climbing up and she told
her to stop and when she wouldnt she swatted her with a hairbrush, but she had a
diaper on.
Smothermon: You
made a statement to OSBI?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Smothermon: Did
you tell them about the brush?
Gilbreath: I
thought I did but I might have forgotten it.
Cross Examination
Huddleston: You believe Raye Dawn was a good
mother?
Gilbreath: For
awhile I did.
Huddleston: Raye
Dawn loved Kelsey?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: Did
you get on that website, Kelseys purpose?
Gilbreath: No,
I dont have a computer.
Huddleston: Never?
Gilbreath: No,
I dont even know how to work a computer.
Huddleston: Two
months after Kelseys death on December 22nd 2005 OSBI came to talk to you?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: They
were investigating the murder of Kelsey?
Gilbreath
Yes.
Huddleston: Thats
pretty serious? Murder?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: You
told the OSBI that you would tease Raye Dawn, about her
make-up?
Gilbreath:
Yea, we would tease her about how done up she always got
and tease her about her boyfriends and what she was going to do that night.
Huddleston: You
knew it was important to tell OSBI everything?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: But you didnt?
Gilbreath: I
was nervous and I forgot.
Huddleston: You
knew about the animosity between the Briggs and the Smiths?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: Sometimes
Raye Dawn would bring Kelsey to work?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: She seemed very loving?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: Sometimes she brought Michael
Porters kids to work?
Gilbreath: I
never saw them.
Huddleston: So
the day Miste Smith brought Kelsey in with a sprained ankle, were you there?
Gilbreath:
Yes.
Huddleston: So Raye Dawn was at work that
day, not at the zoo?
Gilbreath:
Yes, I remember hollering at her.
Huddleston: You knew Miste brought her into
work?
Gilbreath: I
recognized Kelsey. Raye Dawn asked me if she could take
her to the doctor and I clocked her out.
Huddleston: Did
you see any of the bruises?
Gilbreath: I
saw some bruises on her arms and legs. But she always
had an explanation.
Huddleston: Knowing OSBI was talking to you
about the abuse and murder of Kelsey you did not ever tell OSBI? You told OSBI
Raye Dawn told you Kathie was accusing her of beating Kelseywith a hairbrush, so
brush was on your mind?
Huddleston: And how do you know Raye Dawn
didnt question Kelsey further about why Mike was mean?
Gilbreath: I
asked her the next day about it.
Huddleston: But you dont know what happened
at that house?
Gilbreath: No,
I guess not.
Huddleston: How long is a person supposed to
cry when their child has been murdered?
Gilbreath: I
dont know. I would have to be sedated. I would be
devastated.
Huddleston: Your
testimony is different today than it was with the OSBI?
Gilbreath: Yes,
its hard to remember all of the details.
Redirect - Smothermon
Smothermon: You knew your OSBI statement was different when
you came to talk to me?
Gilbreath:
Just talking about it jogged my memory.
Smothermon: How long did you talk with the OSBI?
Gilbreath:
30-40 minutes.
Smothermon: You told the OSBI you teased her about her makeup?
Gilbreath:
Yea, she always came in all fixed up?
Smothermon: Does she look the same today as she normally does?
Gilbreath: No.
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Obsessed HOD |
What a CROCK OF CRAP!!
LIAR LIAR - PANTS ON FIRE!!!
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Ashley Gober Testimony -
Ashley was Kelseys step-mother and used to be married to Lance.
Ashley: I did not notice anything out
of the ordinary until January
14, 2005. Kathie called us to tell us Raye Dawn told her when she
dropped her off that Kelsey had a broken collarbone and that she
had fallen out of her crib and hit a slide. That night from 6:45 to
7:30 we were at Kathies house for a birthday party. At 8 we
went to my moms house to meet my brother and his wife who
were in town from Hawaii.
State shows pictures of the 29 bruises and abrasions on Kelseys back, buttocks
and thigh.
Ashley:
I took those pictures while Kelsey was in the bathtub.
Smothermon: Why
Ashley:
Because something wasnt right. When I took Kelseys
clothes off to give her a bath I noticed them and started
crying and called my mom and had her and Lance come in
and look at Kelsey. Then I called Kathie to see if she had
noticed the bruises. She had not. So we decided to take her
to the ER. Kathie met us there.
Picture of scrape on Kelseys elbow.
Smothermon: What happened here?
Ashley:
Raye Dawn told Kathie she was walking down the hallway
and hit it on the wall.
3 Pictures of Kelsey in casts and a knot on her nose.
Ashley : We
called DHS a lot.
Smothermon: Why?
Ashley:
Because I thought something wasnt right, that she was
being abused. I told DHS workers.
Smothermon: How
did they respond?
Ashley:
At first they were cordial, but by the end it just seemed like
they were trying to get me off of the phone.
Smothermon: What
happened when you saw Kelsey on August 27, 2005?
Ashley:
She was not the same.
Cross Examination-Huddleston
Huddleston: You
brought some notes today?
Ashley:
Yes. This is my notebook of all contact I had with Kelsey, the
dates and times of our pickups, any injuries to Kelsey.
Huddleston: Can
I see it?
Ashley:
Sure.
Huddleston: This
looks like you took notes every three or four days
and the notes go back to 2004?
Ashley:
I take a lot of notes.
Huddleston: Was
Kelsey an active child?
Ashley:
Yes.
Huddleston: Is
there a lot of animosity between your families at the
court proceedings?
Ashley:
Yes. There were angry people that a child was being hurt.
Huddleston: There
were a lot of bad things said about Raye Dawn by
your family?
Ashley:
Not in front of Kelsey.
Huddleston: So
do you have any personal knowledge of where Kelsey was
was before 6pm on the 14th?
Ashley:
No.
Huddleston: How
many kids were at the birthday party?
Ashley:
5 or 6.
Huddleston: How
old?
Ashley:
The boys were 7 or 8, the girls 6. Kelsey was the youngest.
Huddleston: So
you never let Kelsey out of your sight?
Ashley:
No, I went with her to play with her, to interact with her.
Huddleston: Even
at a family gathering you kept following her around?
Ashley:
Yes.
Huddleston pulled out a large calendar.
Huddleston: Who was at the party?
Ashley lists about 6 family members.
Huddleston: And
you testified you saw some bruises on her backside,
and the first thing you did was get out your camera and take
pictures?
Ashley: Correct.
Huddleston: Between
2004 and 2005 youve taken all of these notes, youve
never seen anything like this, visitation is going back and forth
between families and the first thing you do is take the photo?
Why?
Ashley: It was
very unusual.
Huddleston: Why
is the picture shiny?
Ashley: She
was in the bathtub.
Huddleston: Why would you do that?
Ashley: The
bruises were out of place.
Huddleston: Were you trying to build a custody
case against my client?
Ashley:
No, the bruises were not normal.
Huddleston: You
run and get your camera? You dont find that unusual?
Ashley:
No.
Huddleston: Why
did Kathie come to the ER?
Ashley:
She felt she needed to be there
Huddleston: Your
mom didnt go? Why?
Ashley:
My brother and sister in law just got into town, I guess.
Huddleston: Thats
more important than her grand-daughters health?
Ashley:
No.
Huddleston: When
did you give that photo to the Meeker police?
Ashley:
I did not. Kathie may have, I had to work the next day.
They took their own pictures.
Huddleston: Why
didnt you give the police the pictures?
Ashley:
Im not sure.
Huddleston: Were
you present when Raye Dawn came up at the hospital?
Wasnt Kathie pushing this case on Raye Dawn?
Ashley: I
dont remember that.
Huddleston: On January 16th, did you refuse
to give Kelsey back to
Raye Dawn?
Ashley:
Yes.
Huddleston: On
January 17th, the police returned her to Raye Dawn and
cleared Raye Dawn?
Ashley:
Yes.
Huddleston: January
24th, Kathie filed a guardianship to take Kelsey away
and for two weeks Raye could not see her?
Ashley:
Yes.
Huddleston: On
March 24th, Kathie filed a complaint to DHS for bruises
and for a bump on her nose.A small bump on her nose, that
Raye Dawn says happened when she fell on the kitchen
floor. Why did you take her to the ER?
Ashley:
Because Kathie thought her nose might be broken.
Huddleston: It
wasnt until March 11th that Raye had unsupervised visits
until then she only had supervised visits, and less than two
weeks later, another complaint was filed?
Ashley:
I guess.
Huddleston: April
4th, another complaint was filed with DHS, thats 9 days
later. Were you present at on April 28th at Kathies house?
Ashley:
No I was at work.
Huddleston: Do
you know DHS investigated the nose?
Ashley:
Raye Dawn told them Whitney elbowed her.
Huddleston: And
did you know Whitney told DHS thats probably what
happened?
Ashley:
No.
Huddleston: In
March, Kelseys hair started to fall out. She was going
back and forth between families all of the time. Do you think
that was difficult on Kelsey?
Ashley:
Im sure it was.
Huddleston: Was
Kelsey caught in the middle?
Ashley:
She was.
Huddleston: On
April 14th Kelsey went to the zoo and Raye Dawn was
not there correct?